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me now the
. let me start there, where i left off. why
? you guys seem to be more concerned about it than republicans are in targeting it. do you — how nervous are you guys about
oh, i disagree, chuck. the president’s on a bus tour all through ohio today. we’re in the northeast part of the state. it just made sense to hop over to
and touch base with those voters dl. you know, i’m sure throughout the course of this campaign we’ll be back in
again not because we’re concerned about it but because we want to talk to the voter tons ground there. we feel pretty good about where we stabbed nd in
but no doubt, we will be back there.
do you believe the conventional wisdom that the white vote in this
of this election?
i think they’re a very important part of this election. the president is going to be speaking with many of them today, as you know. i listened as you went through our bus tour route. that’s the heart of the
. one in eight jobs in ohio is tied to the
. so it’s critically important to those voters about where people stand, where the two candidates stand on the
and whether — who stood up to save it, who wanted to let it go bankrupt. today there’s a article in the ”
” where the president is starting his tour about new enforcement actions against china who are putting tariffs on our autos, our exports, into that country. so i think all of this, the industrial
, many other states, are going to be looking at this about who identifies with them, who is in touch with what’s going on in their daily lives and who is fighting for them. i think it’s a critically important piece of this electorate.
i want to shift to
. it’s basically same question that’s been asked of governor
. is if mandate attacks of them?
we asked several times in the difference between obama administration and the president and
is we’ve been consistent. h is a penalty administered through the
. it’s a penalty of less than 1% of the american public.
does the nuance matter there?
who can get
and choosing not to get it. they’re choosing not to get it so they’re taxing you. at the
end of the day
it doesn’t matter what we’re calling this. we’ve been consistent about what it is. it’s a penalty on the 1% that aren’t getting
and can afford to do it. contrast that with
. it’s a tax, it’s a penalty. i watched a power point yesterday from
was walking through his
health care law
, which as you know is almost identical to the president’s
health care law
, talking about taxing people. he just needs to figure out whether what it is on his end. we’re pretty clear on our end.
it’s not clear. you’re saying the same thing that governor
said. he said he seems to be reluctantly saying, well, the
said it’s a tax so, fine, it’s a tax. but then he says his own — it’s not what it is in
. it was a penalty. and you’re saying we you’re not being very clear either about this whole tax source of penalty. if you’re going to hold them accountable on having to be clear of whether it’s a tax versus a penalty, i think it’s only fair that you guys are just as clear. no?
we’re pretty clear. go back and look at our
arguments. go back and look at everything that we have said about the president’s
health care law
. it’s a penalty. it’s a penalty that’s administered through the
. on less than 1% of the
who are choosing not to get
but can afford it.
can call it a tax, a penalty. we don we just hope he chooses one and sticks to it.
the difference but — hang on a minute.
look at what has happened over the past five days. his spoerks person calls it a penalty. a couple days later after his right wing of his party rises up and criticizes him he is suddenly calling it a tax. that’s what this debate is all about, whether
can take a principled position and stick with it. that’s the question.
but the difference between a tax and a penalty is a penalty means you’ve done something wrong. so do you believe that not buying
somebody is doing something wrong? it’s a
decision. the way
wrote it is he was making the case that, look, it’s not illegal to not buy
. so, therefore, because it’s not — you’re not committing some sort of misdemeanor here, it’s not a penalty, it’s a tax.
no, that’s not what he said. he said that there are several different ways you can go at this. and he thought, he disagreed with the
decision, but he thought that congress had the power to penalize people through the
. if you don’t get insurance and you can afford it, congress has the power to penalize you because you’re passing your cost on to everybody else. but, again, that’s not really what this demand is about. this debate is about two
, a president who is standing by his position, consistent on his position, pretty clear on his position.
the president was — talking candidate who was taking both sides of it over the past — just in the last week we’ve seen both sides of the issue. but over the course of the in m. years when he was been putting his
plans out there he’s called it a penalty, a tax, gone back and forth. ultimately both of these laws do the same thing. they penalize people who can afford to get
but are choosing not to. they do penalize people because it means they’re passing their costs off to me and you. that’s what this is.
i’m going to ask you about an ad you’re currently running that has to do with you’re hitting
for outsourcing. “the
” — you’re quoting a ”
” story saying that, you know, this is proof,
did nothing but outsource when he was at bane. now, the same ”
” said, gave you four pinocchios saying that what you’re claiming the article said is not what the article said. it’s in one of their outsourcing ads before the article ran, in fact, earned four pinocchios. there’s little in the post article that backs up the
spin. you know, if there’s not passing the
, do you feel as if you have to redo your ads?
i’m not understanding — so if we’re not passing the ”
we should redo our ads?
a lot of fact checkers say the ads are a little
over the top
, a bit misleading. you’ve taken issue when
has done this to you.
sure. we feel pretty comfortable with the ads that we have up for a couple reasons.
oversaw bane capital. we all know that. bane capital invested in companies that were pioneers in outsour outsourcing. that’s a known fact. what’s what “the
has made millions of dollars, personal profit, out of outsourcing. the second thing that some of these fact checkers take issue with is when
left bane. he said he left before the olympics. there are plenty of records out there, whether it’s s.e.c. files, his own words, his own attorney’s words, that show he didn’t leave bane until
. and many cases occurred between the time he said he left for the olympics in
of outsourcing. so we’re just — you know, we believe that these ads are fact chul. we believe these ads tell an important story about
, how he’s made his money, what his beliefs are in our economic system. don’t just look at those ads, chuck, look at his policies today and what he did in
. he outsourced state jobs in
. his policies today encourage outsourcing. he has a chance to fix it. he has a chance to show, no, i’m for the american worker, i want to bring
back here but he won’t. his policies don’t do that. he doesn’t say that.
if you were advising a democrat running for the house and senate, would you advise them to skip the
or go to the
i would advise them to do whatever they think is best. some are skipping it because they want to spend the time campaigning. some are going to go. and enjoy it. so it’s ultimately a personal decision. this happens every four years. it’s happening on the
, too. so
is not a
so you don’t take the campaign doesn’t take personal offense?
no. not at all.
, deposition any
for the president’s re-election. thanks for coming on this morning.
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